Jun 3, 2011

Klavan on the Culture

10 comments:

gary ledebur said...

anti-Obama drivel. He never said return to 1967 borders. He said start negotiations at 67 borders WITH APPROPRIATE LAND SWAPS!

michael molovinsky said...

gary, i don't know klavan's motivation, but i will tell you mine. it's not anti-obama, it's pro israel. although the presented concept of israel expanding is meant as a parody, the notion of destroying israel is deadly serious.

gary ledebur said...

Israel is not going to be destroyed. Israel has nuclear weapons, a great army and air force, the best intelligence service around and the backing of the only superpower in the world. Hanging on to this fear of destroying Israel seems to serve some political or psychological purpose but only that. Israel can enhance its security greatly only when it gets the Palestine issue behind it.

michael molovinsky said...

gary, you're simply ignorant about the price israel has paid for survival. you would be hard pressed to find an israeli family that hasn't suffered a death defending the country, putting aside the relentless terror attacks for decades. the palestinians and arab world rejected a side by side palestinian state in 1948 when they attacked israel in unison. when jordan occupied the west bank from 48 to 67 there was no movement for a palestinian state, still only the destruction of israel. read some history before you comment on this subject.

Paul Fiske said...

Michael,
I think Mr. Ledebur needs to study the Jewish Diaspora, starting with the Babylonian Conquest of the 6th Century. "Those who fail to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it"
Paul Fiske "The old Allentown Curmudgeon"

michael molovinsky said...

paul, people find it very convenient to forget that it was the palestinians and arabs who rejected the arab state of palestine in 48, and instead attacked israel who accepted their portion of the british mandate. it was arafat who rejected the deal with clinton when israel offered everything they wanted. although there is not one indication that the palestinians or arabs want peace with israel, it serves jew bashers well to blame israel as the problem. nothing new there

gary ledebur said...

I have read as much history as you MM. I read a historical book every week. I stand by my comments.

Your position is a political and psychological excuse for seeing Israel as the victim. Victimhood provides meaning. Sometimes I worry that if peace did come to the middle east a lot of folks would experience emptiness.

Anonymous said...

Michael, I am afraid with Gary, this is an issue that he has already solved without critical thinking or an open mind to the History we have mentioned. Arm Chair logic without experiencing the horrors of combat, or perhaps even world travel, as I have.....PJF

ironpigpen said...

With friends like Ledebur, you have little need for enemies, Mr. Molovinsky.

Strictly my own personal opinion, of course.

Do you know what is going on in Scotland with the open calls for Jewish boycotts and the 'marking' of Jewish-made goods?

Good luck, Israel may just need a bit of that before all is said and done.

Have a pleasant day, Mr. Molovinsky.

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